Nest Thermostat ROI & Installation

I’m pretty sure everyone is familiar with the Nest thermostat and the company’s sales pitch.  But I’ll humor those of you that may not be: Nest promises to save you money by reducing heating and cooling costs by “learning” your daily schedule and adjust your heating or air conditioning when you aren’t in the house. According to the Nest website:

 “Because the Nest Thermostat learns how and when to keep you comfortable, it knows how and when to save energy. To prove it, we looked at energy bills of real people in 41 states before and after they got Nest Thermostats. Then we watched the data roll in from two independent studies – from real homes with real families and real thermostats. The results were clear: on average the Nest Thermostat saved 10-12% on heating and 15% on cooling. Based on typical energy costs, we’ve estimated average savings of $131 to $145 a year. That means the Nest Thermostat paid for itself in under two years.”

The site provides a detailed white paper outlining their calculations as well as a slick calculator based on where you live to estimate your potential savings:

Potential Nest Savings
Potential Nest Savings

Aside from the savings, Nest also layers slick techy functions on top where you can control the thermostat remotely, adjust your schedule, and see pretty reports all from your smart phone.

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Now I’m a gadget head and the cool features were more than enough to make want one but I have resisted for the past several years since we already had programmable thermostats and I never believe company provided information that their product will save you money, even with fancy white papers. The $250 ($180 on sale) price tag was just too expensive of a gamble.

 The Real Return on Nest

But recently they have made a big push rolling out “Rush Hour Rewards”. This is a program where they have partnered with local energy companies to offer rebates to customers that will let them adjust the thermostat during peak energy hours. The Nest site describes it like this:

 “Rush Hours typically happen on very hot summer days or very cold winter days - usually about 6-12 times a season. But this number depends on the overall weather patterns for the season and your Nest energy partner. Typically, you won’t get more than one Rush Hour in a day or Rush Hours for more than three days in a row, and there are rarely more than a dozen Rush Hour days per season (winter or summer).”

The natural response is that you don’t want to just fork over control to your utility company but here is the most important part:

 “You also stay in control and can change the temperature any time during a Rush Hour.”

So what do you get in return for allowing them to “influence” your thermostat? Well that varies by participating utility company but my local company is offering $100 electric bill credit when you enroll your Nest Learning Thermostat (maximum of two) in Rush Hour Rewards. After the first year, you get additional $40 credit on their electric bills for each subsequent year they participate in the program.

Considering a Nest thermostat can be purchased for $245 on Amazon or roll the dice and find them in the $180 range on eBay that seems to be a pretty good return. Sign me up, I’m sold.

Installation Troubles

Now I’m pretty handy and have replaced several thermostats in the past, usually converting an old school version to a programmable so I didn’t think installation would be any problem. Boy was I wrong.

My current house which was built in 2014 had one of these newer thermostats which uses only three data wires to the thermostat and then has a remote wiring hub that wires everything back to the units:

Original Setup
Original Setup

Since the new unit requires five wires back the unit I knew I was in trouble. Still I pressed on.

Up into the attic and I took apart the remote unit to see:
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At this point I realize I’m in over my head.

Although I consider myself as DIY as they come, I called in the pros. I have a great HVAC guy who came out rescued me while also allowing me to watch and ask questions. This was super important since I wanted to install another Nest (remember my electric provider will give you credits for TWO).

He basically bypassed the entire board you see above and wired the thermostat directly to the HVAC units. The other hitch, and I’m really happy he was there to show me, was my unit had an overflow cut off that had to be Daisychained to the power wire.

Here is the nice, clean HVAC board:

Inside the HV Unit
Inside the HVAC Unit

And all though hard to see, to the left of this picture is the daisychained overflow cut off power wires:

The attic is dark, give me break
The attic is dark, give me break

So there was an extra $120 installation cost on this but I can confirm that after this lesson I was able to install the second Nest with no problem.

Also confirmed already is the initial $100 credit from my electric provider, it showed up on my very next statement without issue. Now we’ll have to wait and see if the Nest Forecast cost savings materialize but either way, I love the techie features!

If you have any questions, please post and ask, I’d be happy to offer any advice I can.

 

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